ANURAG BANERJEE, CEO AND FOUNDER, QUILT.AI:I always think of business in a bidirectional way. It must be accretive to the P&L—so, it has to make us money, make our clients money, save time, and/or create efficiency. In understanding consumers, patients, and HCPs, the ability of large-scale machine-learning tools to do that is brilliant. It’s very fast, and you don’t need focus groups as much—or at all, in my opinion. You don’t need surveys or require less of them. And even if you have survey data, you can analyze it very quickly. So, there is a speed to market that a pharma company can have that wasn’t true even 12 or 18 months ago.
ChatGPT has made massive strides with each model released—and the other models are great. So, we see that as huge in terms of being able to respond to consumers quickly. The other thing is content curation. Now, you can generate so many different pieces of content—and we have MLR approval to think through. But the truth is: to win on the internet with HCPs or with patients, you must have multiple, personalized pieces of content. And AI allows you to do that—not amazingly today, but [it is] much better than it [was] three months ago. We see true personalization at scale finally being possible. It’s been theoretical for a long time, and now the time is here.
Jenner: Let’s talk about intellectual property and content creation. When AI tools came into the marketplace, the content on the internet became the unwitting trainers of generative AI. At this point, there isn’t compensation for the many articles and journals they’ve consumed, or for the myriad of ways that information is being absorbed to enable these powerful AI platforms. What is going to be the cost to some organizations and content creators as AI continues to absorb our market?
CAPAN: It’s an unfortunate and important topic that will change and evolve, but we need to be very practical right now. There’s a potential for big copyright issues in terms of not getting permission before going to train the set. And this happens with our clients, too, as each company has its own proprietary data [and] information. If you happen to share it with the public, what happens? Obviously, we want to protect our copyright knowledge.
However, [this is for] any profession, any expertise area—AI is not going to replace you. People using AI will replace you if you don’t use it, and I encourage people to be careful but do not stay on the sideline.
But if you’re a good writer (or medical writer) [or] if you have good expertise on any topic, it won’t replace you because AI still needs human feedback. We are not 100% efficient, but AI will definitely help us do our jobs better. For copyright issues, it will evolve, and regulation will be needed to make sure we do things right.
ONIKORO: From the perspective of the human creator—as well as all the content that has already been created—AI is a customer of intellectual property just like a human can be a customer of intellectual property. The question then becomes: is AI going to be a paying customer, and do you need to be paid for your content? Or is AI going to be a non-paying customer? This takes me back to the ’90s when Napster disrupted the music industry. You could download music for free online, but that’s someone’s intellectual property. And now the industry has transformed into Spotify, Pandora, [and] Apple Music to still download and stream music—but paying for it using a method that wasn’t available 25 years ago. I see us moving slowly into that kind of format. AI will always be able to consume information that you don’t want it to consume in many instances, but how do we frame it properly in which owners of the IP are getting credit for it in terms of payments? Once your content is online, AI will pick it up, consume it, and get trained on it. A framework around compensating content owners is the key.
BANERJEE: I gently disagree with Faruk and Steve. The whole construct of content creators on the web—”I wrote a blog and that went into ChatGPT; so, ChatGPT should pay me”—I find that logic flawed. I was taught by somebody; I learned art from somebody else; and I’m making a living. I’m not compensating those people. Yes, I pay taxes, and I buy certain things; but it’s not a customer model as such.
As we see with larger models, over a period of time, they’re extremely general. My colleagues here have probably done thousands of prompts [and] tried to play with the models and API access it; but what truly works well—and probably what works in Jeff’s world—are smaller large language models (LLMs) on tight data, like the Bloomberg Large LLM. Some LLMs that have been released are fascinating on tight data. So, your in-house data is managed and interrogated well.
JENNER: There’s so much legislation and regulation coming into AI. On a national and a global scale, we are starting to see some legislation take shape, especially in the European Union—which, when they introduced GDPR, was at the forefront from a privacy perspective and validated their citizens’ concerns. What are going to be the most significant repercussions or changes from a legislative and regulatory perspective for AI?
BANERJEE: Legislation, sadly, is almost always retroactive. It’s like the tobacco industry saying, “Regulate us.” This is how I think about us in the AI industry saying, “Regulate us,” which is a little duplicitous. Regulation should include four key stakeholders:
- First, content creators. All of us create content in some shape or form. What are the terms and conditions that content platforms should adhere to, and what should they be permitted to provide? What can Instagram or Twitter give or not give that potentially goes into ChatGPT?
- The second stakeholder is the platforms. What are the platforms going to do with this amount of content, and what can they build or not build? What is the monetization scheme?
- The third is the buyers of the product. If I am buying an Instagram-based LLM, what will that mean for them?
- The fourth stakeholder is privacy—that means having a privacy screen around it.
My theory is that legislation is going to come in a very draconian way and target small-use cases. Being GDPR-compliant is very defined, and there are ways to manage and optimize to that. And if we follow the GDPR model, it’s an easy model to execute against. I know we don’t have it in the US; but in Europe, it’s an easy model to understand.
As an industry, we shouldn’t jump and say, “Hey, legislate us,” because that sounds unethical and inappropriate. We should remain at an arm’s distance. And while I’m not worried about legislation, it should occur keeping those four stakeholders in view.
HEADD: As Faruk highlighted earlier, it’s a highly regulated industry. So, in the context of global legislation that governs a dynamically evolving capability, a thoughtful approach is essential to ensure quality and compliance remain inherent in the system—and, therefore, in decision-making.
An example of this dynamism is in the large language model and foundational model world, where there are two camps. There are the folks who will argue that bigger is better, and bigger will win. But that’s where one could quickly run into questions such as: ‘What was it trained on, and are we really being compliant, fair, and ethical?’ And that’s difficult to answer.
Then there’s the other side where smaller, focused models are catching up very quickly and probably will soon meet and potentially surpass functionality on a use-case level that we aim to achieve in our industry or any business.
There’s also a push in the open-source community to be declarative of what a model is trained on, getting appropriate permission to use underlying data sets for clearly specified purposes, and having clear traceability of the model inputs and outputs.
These are important conversations about integrity, provenance, and quality, and there’s not one single answer to the questions and issues raised. I think we can continue to look forward to having a rich set of options to consider depending on what the use case is.
JENNER: What do you think are the biggest challenges as we examine ethical concerns, privacy, and data security? And as marketers, what do you think are the biggest challenges we should be aware of as the legislation starts to come into play?
ONIKORO: In pharma, we tread carefully around the use of patient data and identifiable data and put those into our models. As it gets more competitive, you may want to get an edge on identifying the particular patient who has the rare disease, but how exactly is that done? It may take a while for regulators to catch up, but as an industry, we need to make sure we’re policing what we’re doing in terms of privacy and use of data. As a company, we think about this because on the backside of platforms, we need to protect our risk and manage compliance regardless of what the current regulations are.
CAPAN: I feel like a dinosaur [with] 30+ years in pharma on both the client side and agency side. I’ve been through arguments about the font size and type on a website, and [I’ve] been sued by those claiming, “This is our font.” We want to protect our customers, and we don’t want any of them ever being sued.
Right now, the top two important concerns are privacy and data security. We have clients [who] say, “Do not use my data in any shape or form regarding the ChatGPT environment,” which they have a right to say. And we do have to police ourselves. Do not ever use the final product of a ChatGPT-created content or image. Only use it for ideation.
The No. 1 process regarding content, customization, and personalization from a marketing standpoint is medical regulatory. That pipeline process is hard to solve, but we are working on a project to make our regulatory approval associates more efficient by creating private references and creating client environments. Now, we have the right references and wide checks, and we’re making sure the copy and claims are correct.
What’s most important in a regulatory environment is protecting patient, HCP, and client data; so, I highly suggest being careful. As an innovator, you may be the one [who] makes the first mistake, and everyone else picks on it, resulting in a chilling effect. I have seen this on social media and mobile websites in the past. We must be careful, minimize mistakes, minimize risk, and then we can adopt this technology in a better, faster way.
JENNER: Wonderfully said. We’re similar at AbelsonTaylor, where we look at the ways we can use generative AI, ChatGPT, and machine learning in ways that can expand and increase our efficiency from a client, HCP, and patient perspective. But we’re also focusing on where we are to make sure that we’re staying at the forefront of technology.
We always think about how we can make sure we’re bringing the right tools to our clients at the right time very quickly in order to stay ahead.
JENNER: Where will AI make a big change in pharmacy marketing within the next five to 10 years?
HEADD: In two ways. Applied change, transformative change, and changing things at scale have longer timelines than generally assumed. When you think about big companies adopting internet access, using cloud platforms instead of home servers—that took years. The hype cycle will reach a saturation point, and then we’ll get to actual tactical execution. Five years from now, on the marketing side, we should see increased speed and agility. There will be faster paths to producing new content, new campaigns that are very relevant at the individual level that can be turned around very quickly as market conditions change and external events happen or exciting things happen within a company’s own pipeline.
To Anurag’s comment earlier about finding patients with rare diseases—if you look at where the industry’s headed, there’s a lot of focus on personalized medicine and on rare indications. I think that does marry well with this technology when you think of how we can find those patients in order to initially study the disease in the clinic; and once we get a treatment approved, help find other patients earlier in their disease progression so we can help them on their health journey. That’s where we may see a lot of generative methods in production systems so that we can help those patients at those times.
BANERJEE: When I was 19 years old, my grandfather died of lung cancer. I remember Googling tobacco (as he was a chain smoker) and looking at research papers online as a sophomore in university. The information access and availability to the caregiver or patient were inadequate and not easy to navigate.
Conversely, my 13-year-old daughter had her tonsils taken out last summer, and I started explaining to her what the procedure is like, what’s going to happen, and how she was going to get a little ice cream. She said, “Dad, I got this. I saw two TikTok videos. I know what’s going to happen.” Information availability to a patient is much better today.
I’d love for an environment to exist in which personalized information about my health and my conditions were available to me and (as an empowered patient) I could find that information in an easy-to-access generative AI, personalized format.
ONIKORO:From our perspective of helping pharmaceutical marketers in HCP marketing, we see AI becoming more a part of the transactional aspects of what pharmaceutical marketers do. For example, segmentation. We’re not just looking at huge segments of positions, but we’re looking at micro-segments and tailoring messages specifically to them. And that’s where modular content and truly streamlining the ML processes come into play. I look at it more from a transactional level. It might not be a big change, but it’s also getting us faster and more personalized.
CAPAN: This trend is much more accelerated than the internet, mobile, or social acceleration we’ve seen in the past. In five to 10 years, the way we live and work is going to be much different than it is today. I’ll give you an example. Are we still going to need websites, or will we have personalized AI, personalized education, or [personalized] medicine? Will this expertise be available to us [on an] individual level? It’s going to be more about influencing the AI models than building websites or content. There is talk of tools coming very soon that will offer a personalized AI educator, trainer, doctor, [or] legal expertise—everything will be available to us in a much different way.
And we will likely have to be more specialized [as individuals], and jobs will likely be more specialized to be able to compete with AI. It’s exciting, but it’s kind of scary when you think about the things that can really go wrong in five to 10 years, but I like to stay optimistic. If we put our hearts and minds in the right place, we can overcome these challenges together. It’s essential for individuals with good intentions to join this effort, as there’s a likelihood that those with less altruistic motives are already working against our progress.
JENNER: I take a little bit of a more science-fiction approach to it. Within five or 10 years, because technology is moving so quickly, we’re going to get to a place where wearables—like augmented reality [and] virtual reality—become more common. We’re going to see a huge uptick in wearable technology, which is going to help people understand their health in a new way. I think it will provide a new perspective for healthcare providers and people who are in the industry to be able to understand population health on a more global and robust scale. Everyone is attached to their phones. So, if there is a way to implement augmented reality or virtual reality to meet patients exactly where they are and give them information about critical components of their healthcare—to manage symptoms [and have] early detection—it would be helpful.
And I think we’re going to see some healthcare providers really embracing this technology a lot more in research areas and how HCPs can communicate with their patients in a more free and open way. We already have telemedicine. But in the future, will we start seeing things where your healthcare provider is meeting you in a world [of augmented reality] that you maybe hadn’t thought of before? Much like how gaming has merged into an all-world technology.